Posts by Frazzled UBM

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This will be a GREAT organization!

by Kensho in

when...... 1) we follow christ example not the gb.

2) stop df'ing those for challenging current or past doctrine and allow us to use our god given gift of reason and free wil.

sure kick out the scumbags even the lions club have rules for membership, but not those who just use their brains and consience.. 3) get rid of the nonsensical blood teaching that has cost the lives of thousands and beg god for forgiveness.

Frazzled UBM

Kensho - you forgot to add:

Stop requiring unquestioning obedience and group think

Stop using guilt, shame and fear of a jealous petty cruel supreme being to manipulate and control

Stop indoctrinating children

Stop the conditional love based on the extent of your unquestioning obedience and group think

Stop making the r&f feel bad for not doing enough

Stop selectively quoting from the Bible to suit particular purposes and otherwise engaging in misleading and deceptive conduct

...and the list goes on...

and what would happen if you did all those things... the organisation would not exist and you have to start thinking for yourself

stop grasping at straws and thinking if only the orgnaistion would reform it would be okay...it is rotten to its very core as others have pointed out and if you eraqdicate the rottenness there is nothing left...

...the idea of loving one's neighbour and being honest and upright is not unique to the Witnesses - it is basic decency and thoughtfulness and shouldn't exist only because you think you have a mean vengeful supreme being looking over your shoulder all the time...

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How Accurate Is JWN In Your Opinion?

by minimus in

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would you say this board gives accurate information, overall?

if someone started reading the comments here, do you think they would find this discussion board as accurate?.

Frazzled UBM

'Accurate' seems an odd choice of words given most of what is on here is opinion or personal experience. As for information presented as fact - it would be very difficult to assess its accuracy.

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Local Kingdom Hall Speakers To Be Replaced By Governing Body Video Feeds.

by donuthole in

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so we've seen as the current gb is getting more facetime in an effort to reach the hearts and minds of the rank and file.

this took a leap with video feeds at an open annual meeting.

the international conventions are taking this a step farther.. do you think that local speakers at kingdom halls could ever be replaced by headquarter approved video feeds?.

Frazzled UBM

That would be so 1984 Big Brotherish - but they may just be going back to their roots - I understand that in Rutherford's day before the sales force were properly trained, door to door preaching involved playing gramaphone recordings of Rutherford's rambings.

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Higher Education and Disqualification for Privileges in the Congregation

by 00DAD in

when i was still serving as an elder in the late summer of 2006 in a congregation of jws in socal we received a letter from the "christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses" (read: the governing body) directing that anyone pursuing a higher education would be disqualified from privileges of service: elder, servant, pioneer, etc.

i remember this quite distinctly because i had just received by ba in education in june a few months before this.

in 2002, i had decided to pursue a degree under the society's then current "it's a personal decision" policy and was quite shocked at their drastic policy change.

Frazzled UBM

Splash - they say it is about greed but it is really about not wanting Witnesses to have crirtical thinking skills, which is why the university educated cannot remain as elders for fear of puluting others with critical thinking.

Welcome lurking4change and good on you for standing up for your daughter's right to a university education. I get the sense this has helped you to start questioning other WBTS doctrine - good work and keep it up.

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In the News: How being a teen mum, growing up as Jehovahs Witness and my kids prepped me for Masterchef fame

by Wild_Thing in

from australia: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/sydney-confidential/how-being-a-teen-mum-growing-up-as-jehovahs-witness-and-my-kids-prepped-me-for-masterchef-fame/story-fni0cvc9-1226974154930.

renae smith with her two daughters kyah and paris who had to agree before renae went onto masterchef.

picture: richard dobson.

Frazzled UBM

I found it interesting that after leaving the borg seh ended up in a relatiosnhip with a control freak - I suspect that the upbringing may result in being atrtracted to these type of relaitonships and as she said 'not realising it's not normal.' What do others think? Does a JW upbringing put a woman at risk of ending up in a high control destructive relationships?

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Getting really for three days in hell

by cookiemaster in

hey guys, there's another thing i wanted to share with you.

i know this topic has been discussed over and over again, but it's just so fun to complain about it.

we're going to the district convention this weekend.

Frazzled UBM

As cookiemaster hasn't named the country we could guess - my guess is Spain because of the mention Euros and the termperature. Am I right cookiemaster?

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ex elder sentenced to 14 years.

by ThomasCovenant in

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/im-relieved-everybody-now-knows-7357125.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-28127683.

Frazzled UBM

also jgnat the male power structure that creates such fertile ground for the abuse. The whole structure of the organisation has created this plague and this cases which just keep coming because while they can tinker at the edges they will never address the organising principles of patriarchy and unquestioning obedience that create such a haven for paedophiles.

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Mental Health Issues in JW Women

by Seven in

here's a click to the cultic studies journalissue concerning jw women.

[url] http://www.csj.org/pub_csj/csj_vol14_no1_97/abs_wifely.htm#top[/url]

Frazzled UBM

Thank you 'a watcher' for your comment - please read my post to the other apologist who posted on this thread. You should actually admit that you have no idea about how to make the Sisters happy and stop regurgitating the hollow words you are taught at the KH.

I am afraid I would have to take issue with your claim that Jehovah is more loving and reasonable than people given his track record in the OT of petty jealousy, cruelty, vindictiveness and mass murder.

I suspect for most Sisters the social aspect of belonging to the organisation is what keeps them in the organisation but it is the organisation (that claims to be Jehovah's mouthpiece) that keeps them unhappy by constantly making them feel inadequate, guilty and lacking in self-esteem.

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Mental Health Issues in JW Women

by Seven in

here's a click to the cultic studies journalissue concerning jw women.

[url] http://www.csj.org/pub_csj/csj_vol14_no1_97/abs_wifely.htm#top[/url]

Frazzled UBM

Good post Lisa Rose - a neat summary of the organisation's treatment of women.

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The INTJ Personality Type, (and those close to it)

by done4good in

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i am compelled to write a bit about this at this late hour here in the us, because it is keeping me up.. the recent four year old thread on the briggs myers personality type test that was dug up, produced an interesting finding.

many here, (at least tested informally for), the intj personality type.

intjs also do not understand irrational behavior particularly well at all.. why does this matter?

Frazzled UBM

88JM - I think that is similar to my point about self-selection onto JWN but I am not sure it is limited to INTJs, although the suggestion introverts may be more attracted to public internet forums may have some validity.